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The Internet Engineering Task Force is a loosely self-organized group
of people who contribute to the engineering and evolution of Internet
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... Making recommendations to the Internet Engineering Steering Group
(IESG) regarding the standardization of protocols and protocol
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... IETF
member is being on the IETF or Working Group mailing lists (see
Section 1.3). This is where the best information about current IETF ...
... October, 1986, was the first that non-government vendors attended.
The concept of Working Groups was introduced at the 5th IETF meeting
at the NASA Ames Research Center in California in February, 1987.
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... ways that ISOC does this is through financial and legal support of
the other "I" groups described here, particularly the IETF. ISOC's
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... IETF process, and acts as a
public relations channel for the times that one of the "I" groups
wants to say something to the press. The ISOC is one of the major
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... IESG (Internet Engineering Steering Group) ...
... The IESG ratifies or corrects the output from the IETF's Working
Groups, gets WGs started and finished, and makes sure that non-WG
drafts that are about to become RFCs are correct.
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... IESG never wields power. When the IESG
sees a Working Group veering from its charter, or when a WG asks the
IESG ...
... quality of the IETF standards comes both from the review they get in
the Working Groups and the review that the WG review gets from the
ADs.
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... WG is that the result did not really gain
consensus in the IETF as a whole, that is, among all of the Working
Groups in all areas. For instance, the result of one WG might clash
with a technology developed in a different Working Group ...
... Working
Groups in all areas. For instance, the result of one WG might clash
with a technology developed in a different Working Group. An
important job of the IESG is to watch over the output of all the WGs ...
... IAB members pay special attention to emerging activities in the IETF.
When a new IETF working group is proposed, the IAB reviews its
charter for architectural consistency ...
... consistency and integrity. Even before the
group is chartered, the IAB members are more than willing to discuss
new ideas with the people proposing them.
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... "ietf@ietf.org". This is where discussions of cosmic significance
are held (Working Groups have their own mailing lists for discussions
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... conversations with people who wear these dots. If the IAB and IESG
members and Working Group and BOF chairs didn't want to talk to
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Assignments for breakout rooms (where the Working Groups and BOFs
meet) and a map showing the room locations are also shown on the
agenda. Room assignments can change as the agenda changes. Some
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... meet) and a map showing the room locations are also shown on the
agenda. Room assignments can change as the agenda changes. Some
Working Groups meet multiple times during a meeting and every attempt
is made to have a Working Group meet in the same room for each
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... Working Groups meet multiple times during a meeting and every attempt
is made to have a Working Group meet in the same room for each
session.
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... the Internet industry next year. You can safely assume that going to
Working Group meetings will confuse you more than it will help you
understand what is happening, or will be happening, in the industry.
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... IETF. As these people read the current Internet
Drafts and the traffic on the relevant Working Group lists, they will
get a sense of whether or not their presence would be worthwhile for
your company ...
... get a sense of whether or not their presence would be worthwhile for
your company or for the Working Groups.
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... the very latest hardware and software, and you are following the
relevant Working Groups in your copious free time, you might find
attending the IETF meeting valuable. The closer you are to the
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... IETF, employees of vendors are the
ones writing the protocols and leading the Working Groups, so it's
completely appropriate for vendors to attend. If you create ...
... everyone from a technical department to go, particularly if they are
not all reading the Internet Drafts and following the Working Group
mailing lists. Many companies ...
... protocols. Professors and grad students (and sometimes overachieving
undergrads) who are doing research in networking or communications
can get a wealth of information by following Working Groups in their
specific fields of interest. Wandering into different Working Group
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... can get a wealth of information by following Working Groups in their
specific fields of interest. Wandering into different Working Group
meetings can have the same effect as going to symposia and seminars
in your department.
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... IETF. Each volume of contains the final (hindsight) agenda, an IETF
overview, area and Working Group reports, and slides from the
protocol and technical presentations. The Working Group reports and
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... overview, area and Working Group reports, and slides from the
protocol and technical presentations. The Working Group reports and
presentations are sometimes incomplete, if the materials haven't been
turned in to the Secretariat in time for publication.
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... registration desk. This desk is used to make appropriate information
available to the attendees (e.g., copies of something discussed in a
Working Group session, descriptions of online IETF-related
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... Working Groups ...
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The vast majority of the IETF's work is done in many "Working
Groups;" at the time of this writing, there are about 115 different
WGs. (The term "Working Group ...
... Working
Groups;" at the time of this writing, there are about 115 different
WGs. (The term "Working Group" is often seen capitalized, but
probably not for a very good reason.) BCP 25(RFC-2418 ...
... probably not for a very good reason.) BCP 25(RFC-2418), "IETF Working Group
Guidelines and Procedures," is an excellent resource for anyone
participating in WG ...
... mailing list post to the mailing list, while
others let anyone post. Each Working Group has one or two chairs.
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... WG is supposed to
follow. The charter states the scope of discussion for the Working
Group, as well as its goals. The WG's mailing list and face-to-face
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... all WG charters makes interesting reading for folks who want to know
what the different Working Groups are supposed to be doing.
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... Working Group Chairs ...
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As you can imagine, some Working Group chairs are much better at
their jobs than others. When a WG ...
... mailing lists continue on
after a WG is closed, still discussing the same topics as the Working
Group did.) In the IETF, it is a mark of success that the WG closes
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... manage to get their WG to finish, or keep adding new tasks to the
charter so that the Working Group drags on for many years. The
output of these aging WGs is often not nearly as useful as the
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... WGs is often not nearly as useful as the
earlier products, and the messy results are sometimes called
"degenerative Working Group syndrome."
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... chair is to decide which Internet Drafts
get published as "official" Working Group drafts, and which don't.
In practice, there is actually not much procedural difference between
WG drafts ...
... Getting Things Done in a Working Group ...
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Another aspect of Working Groups that confounds many people is the
fact that there is no formal voting. The general rule on disputed
topics is that the Working Group ...
... Working Groups that confounds many people is the
fact that there is no formal voting. The general rule on disputed
topics is that the Working Group has to come to "rough consensus,"
meaning that a very large majority of those who care must agree. The
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... exact method of determining rough consensus varies from Working Group
to Working Group. The lack of voting has caused some very long
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... rough consensus varies from Working Group
to Working Group. The lack of voting has caused some very long
delays for some proposals, but most IETF participants who have
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... rough consensus after acrimonious debates feel that the
delays often result in better protocols. (And, if you think about
it, how could you have "voting" in a group that anyone can join, and
when it's impossible to count the participants?)
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... Preparing for Working Group Meetings ...
... Internet Drafts and RFCs beforehand. WG meetings are explicitly
not for education: they are for developing the group's documents.
Even if you do not plan to say anything in the meeting, you should
read the group ...
... group's documents.
Even if you do not plan to say anything in the meeting, you should
read the group's documents before attending so you can understand
what is being said.
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... WG meeting, you may have a hard
time booking your flight with such little notice, particularly if the
Working Group's meeting changes schedule. Be sure to keep track of
the current agenda so you can schedule flights and hotels. But, when
it comes down to it, you probably shouldn't be coming for just one WG ...
... meeting. It's likely that your knowledge could be valuable in a few
WGs, assuming that you've read the drafts and RFCs for those groups.
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... Working Group Mailing Lists ...
... mailing lists related to IETF work. For
example, every Working Group has its own discussion list. In
addition, there are some long-term technical debates that have been
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... discussions on the mailing lists of the Working Groups that they wish
to attend. The more work that is done on the mailing lists, the less
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... mailing lists, the less
work that will need to be done at the meeting, leaving time for cross
pollination (i.e., attending Working Groups outside one's primary
area of interest in order to broaden one's perspective).
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... The mailing lists also provide a forum for those who wish to follow,
or contribute to, the Working Groups' efforts, but can't attend the
IETF meetings.
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... Interim Working Group Meetings ...
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Working groups sometimes hold interim meetings between IETFs.
Interim meetings aren't a substitute for IETF meetings, however -- a
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... Interim meetings aren't a substitute for IETF meetings, however -- a
group can't decide to skip a meeting in a location they're not fond
of and meet in Cancun three weeks later, for example. Interim
meetings require AD ...
... all participants. Like regular IETF meetings, someone needs to take
notes and send them to minutes@ietf.org, and the group needs to take
attendance.
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In order to form a Working Group, you need a charter and someone who
is able to be chair. In order to get those things, you need to get
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... BOF want to do in the charter. It's
important to remember that most BOFs are held in order to get support
for an eventual Working Group, not to get support for a particular
document.
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... read before coming to the meeting, stop here -- at least temporarily.
Then, on your flight home, read the rest of the Tao. By that time
you'll be ready to get actively involved in the Working Groups that
interested you at the meeting, and the Tao will get you started on
your way.
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... Area Director to take the draft to the IESG (if it's an
individual submission). If the draft is an official Working
Group product, the WG chair asks the AD to take it to the IESG ...
... document overviews and topics which are introductory or appeal to a
broad audience. Frequently, FYIs are created by groups within the
IETF User Services ...
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An Internet Draft can be either a Working Group draft or an
individual submission. Working Group drafts are usually reviewed by
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... Internet Draft can be either a Working Group draft or an
individual submission. Working Group drafts are usually reviewed by
the chair before being accepted as a WG ...
... version of the
draft, the draft editor supplies the filename for the draft. If the
draft is an official Working Group product, the name will start with
"draft-ietf-" followed by the designation of the WG ...
... WG about creating keys might be
named "draft-ietf-smime-keying-00.txt". If it's not the product of a
Working Group, the name will start with "draft-" and the last name of
one of the authors followed by a descriptive word or two, followed by
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... "00.txt". For example, a draft that someone named Smith wrote might
be named "draft-smith-keying-00.txt". If a draft is an individual
submission but relates to a particular working group, the author
sometimes follows their name with the name of the working group, such
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... submission but relates to a particular working group, the author
sometimes follows their name with the name of the working group, such
as "draft-smith-smime-keying-00.txt". You are welcome to suggest
names; however, it is up to the Internet Drafts ...
... there are cases where the filename changes after the first version,
such as when a personal effort is pulled into a Working Group.
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... WG chair sends it to the
appropriate Area Director after it has gone through Working Group
last call. If the draft is an individual submission, the draft's
author or editor submits it to the appropriate Area Director ...
... BCP 9(RFC-2026)
also describes the appeals process for people who feel that a Working
Group chair, an AD, or the IESG ...
... generally this means a stable standard that anyone can get a copy of
(although they might have to pay for it) and that was made by a
generally recognized standards group. If the external standard
changes, you have to reference the particular instantiation of that
standard in your specification, as with a designation of the date of
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... IPSEC interacts with your protocol, and vice versa. Be sure to check
with your Working Group chair if you're not sure how to handle this
section in your draft.
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... IETF documents. They
are also useful for specifications that are the precursors for work
being done by IETF Working Groups. On the other hand, some people
refer to Informational RFCs as "standards" even though the RFCs are
not standards, usually to fool the gullible public about something
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... Read -- Review the Internet Drafts in your area of expertise,
and comment on them in the Working Groups.
Participate in the discussion in a friendly, helpful
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... minor if they appear in more software. Report any
problems you find with the standards to the
appropriate Working Group so that the standard can be
clarified in later revisions. One of the oft-quoted
tenets of the IETF ...
... a corporate member of ISOC, since this has the
greatest financial benefit for the group. It will, of
course, also benefit the Internet as a whole.
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... considering something when in fact there is just an Internet Draft in
a Working Group, and saying that the IETF approved something when all
that happened was that an Informational RFC was published. In both
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... However, IETF meetings are excellent places to meet and speak with
document authors and Working Group chairs; this can be quite valuable
for reporters who are covering the progress of protocols.
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... Internet Draft submissions and queries
minutes@ietf.org Where to send Working Group minutes
proceedings@ietf.org IETF Proceedings Coordinator
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... web site, http://www.ietf.org, is the best source for
information about meetings, Working Groups, Internet Drafts, RFCs,
IETF ...